| To Malaysian music fans -- is Black Metal a threat to our mental security? |  |  |  |
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| Dr. Azly Rahman [The incident at the PR gathering I saw on video prompt me to invite all of you for a dialogue. I am still searching for answer to the culture of underground music in Malaysia. Below is my proposition, written some time ago, for us to begin the discussion.] I thought that after The Rolling Stones, rock and roll will no longer evolve to its most "dangerous" form. I was wrong. Listen to these two pieces of music here and here.  Can you understand the lyrics and figure out where the harmony? What images come to your mind?Now, read the entry below: Below are some of the names of Black Metal groups. I invite Malaysian linguists to help check the accuracy of translated words below to be read to the fans of these new genre of "creatively nihilistic" music. 1. Enjoy the Violence (The comments feature has been switched off while maintenance is carried out on the site. Sorry for the inconvenience caused). Comments (70)  ... written by Ken Liew, July 10, 2008 10:07:20 Any worst music are better then UNMO goons speach. Black music, is nothing compare to the Pollution mind of UNMO. report abuse disagree 6 agree 27 ... written by zul4kulim, July 10, 2008 10:10:22 There are other bigger issues at hand like our parliament has more thieves now than before http://1426.blogspot.com/2008/...ament.html report abuse disagree 4 agree 8 ... written by FFT, July 10, 2008 10:16:48 Get with the program, Doc! Black Metal and Death Metal are so last-century. Now we groove to C4 Metal, popularized and made world famous by preeminent metalhead Lord Najis and the Sarong-Clad Banshees.  report abuse disagree 2 agree 31 ... written by krepot, July 10, 2008 10:24:56 I could have swore, Najib's eyes was on ass of the women in front of him! report abuse disagree 0 agree 8 ... written by densemy, July 10, 2008 10:27:45 The only threat is to your delusion that Malaysia is a highly principled, highly ethical and moral country report abuse disagree 0 agree 5 ... written by zul4kulim, July 10, 2008 10:29:11 Undi Tidak percaya pada isnin ini...http://1426.blogspot.com/2008/...in-14.html report abuse disagree 1 agree 2 ... written by ctchoolaw, July 10, 2008 10:29:24 It's just another way for people to express themselves. In any movement there will be some bad apples but that should not freak everyone out and ban things. Otherwise we will be back in the 17th century burning witches and warlocks at the stake. Hmmm...I wonder if we can do that to corrupt politicians... http://ctchoolaw.blogspot.com/ report abuse disagree 2 agree 9 ... written by MalaysianUnited, July 10, 2008 10:29:48 Remaja ingin sesuatu yang baru dan 'fresh'..bila dibawa dengan lagu2 black metal..mereka pasti kata 'kenapa tidak aku mencubanya'??.. Sudah menjadi resam remaja, nak yang gempak..hingga kepada fanatism kepada black metal, mereka sanggup mati, tak takut dengan hantu, atau tidak takut dengan semuanya.. Tapi berbalik kepada ketamadunan manusia, apakah mereka 'tidak takut' dengan berkeluarga, memegang tanggungjawab, berinteraksi dengan masyarakat dll..ini yang harus dikhabarkan kepada mereka.. report abuse disagree 3 agree 1 ... written by Tom n Jerry, July 10, 2008 10:35:24 Music is supposed to be *food*for the soul whereas rice is food for the physical body!Of course the type of music one listens to is very important!Beethoven is best!Black metal is worst!There are so many in-betweens!There seems to be a right music for every human being on this planet!As the saying goes*Music makes a man*I should endorse it and say*It may make or break aman*  report abuse disagree 3 agree 2 ... written by densemy, July 10, 2008 10:35:59 By the responses to this article it would seem that most observers have no idea what you are trying to say : viz "Only re-education and the re-thinking of our cultural policy will help devise ways to design strategies that will bring us closer to a utopia based on the true meaning of republicanism and socialism that bring meaning to the word "humanism"" Can I simply suggest to you that such forms of music are a young persons way (albeit immature...but that's society's fault) of expressing their total disgust at what their elders are doing to this country report abuse disagree 1 agree 5 ... written by budakindia, July 10, 2008 10:39:01 What UMNO & BN in all of these racket? They encourages it! Don't believe me? Ask Khairy and Azeez rempit! They tell you they have nothing to do with it! Yeah right!  report abuse disagree 1 agree 0 ... written by sumandakk, July 10, 2008 10:46:53 Dr Azly I'm very dissapointed in you. i thought you were one of the writers who could see the wood from the trees. Nope, you're just the same as the rest. Short sighted, totally disconnected. Sad. report abuse disagree 10 agree 10 ... written by capcomangel, July 10, 2008 10:55:36 this is how the malay boy act. tinggalkan budaya adat resam bangsa sendiri dan ikut trend budaya orang putih rocker,heavy metal. racing mat rempit. report abuse disagree 3 agree 4 ... written by cwy, July 10, 2008 10:56:40 reform. We are aware that many youth of today are attracted to 'desperate' music and other decadent aktivities due to frustration and short of proper guidance. All people are born genius, but it is the society that moulds the individual. It is inevitable that bad trees will produce bad fruits. It is also possible that bad fruits ( polluted ) from good trees can be produced by irresponsible farmers. report abuse disagree 1 agree 2 ... written by ahmadneil, July 10, 2008 11:02:16 Different people have different taste. report abuse disagree 2 agree 7 ... written by teo siew chin, July 10, 2008 11:09:08 Nah. black metal does not promote trash nor violence. If anything, it is a good outlet for one's angst, anger, frustrations. It's a way to yell it all out, to let it all hang out man! And it is honest, concerted, contained & controlled expression - it has no malice, no ill-intent to cause harm to another. Unlike those who enjoy 'soft' music but subtly cause harm or hurt to another human being! Or worst, kill in the name of God or do evil in defence of a religion. If one cares to do a survey, perhaps it is the C4-ers who are the dangers to society and not the black-metallers. There are those who look and behave clean and pure on the outside but are evil spawns on the inside! report abuse disagree 2 agree 17 ... written by Thinker, July 10, 2008 11:16:05 I don't listen to this type of music because it's not my taste but I'm against controlling what people want to listen or watch. What next? Controlling what people should read and condemning bloggers for spreading disinformation? (oops, we have that already?) Controlling what people should worship and labelling those who choose differently as deviants? (what? BN is doing that right now?) report abuse disagree 1 agree 12 ... written by kota marudian, July 10, 2008 11:22:10 I think music can influence ones thinking. Things like songs with bad messages should be avoided. Watch pornography is also bad as if it becomes a normal mode of thinking then trouble starts. However we must teach the youth what is bad and what is good as just banning it will make them all the keener to see it.  report abuse disagree 3 agree 3 ... written by densemy, July 10, 2008 11:32:50 kota marudian, you are so right. I've long been amazed how young Malaysians determine their principles from the lyrics of modern pop song. This is especially so when trying to define their emotions But you are SO wrong when you say we must teach the youth what is good and bad...What you must do is to teach the youth to think for themselves and then show them by example what is good and what is bad When morals becomes a subject to study at school rather than a lifelong exercise of learning from your society then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with that society. As things stands there is nothing innately wrong with pornography or 'black' music. What is wrong is the way that people use and abuse both messages. report abuse disagree 2 agree 6 ... written by teo siew chin, July 10, 2008 11:50:10 "...show them by example what is good and what is bad ..." ------------------- Dear Densemy Who is there to show by example? Mum & Dad busy at work leaving first thing in the morning and back only late at nite. Cikgu just instruct the students to read from their textbooks while busy preparing to teach money-making tuition classes. After school, no adult supervision whatsoever and the kids are usually left to fend for themselves... The whole system sucks man! The whole system does not allow for family-time to inculcate wholesome family values. The family-system is failing the children. The education-system is failing the children. The religious-system? Suffer the little children Suffer the adults? report abuse disagree 1 agree 7 ... written by panca, July 10, 2008 19:31:35 Doc, the music is to depress the already depressed, possess and get them obsessed. With the rhythm of the disturbing beat, it will drown them , lose control and become unstoppable(paralyse their thinking)zombie-like, soul-less and heartless people. And can suddenly turn very violent because the emotions are no more understood! A victim of oneself, not just depression, "bad depression", the devil of emotions disorder! Out of this world, an out of order mind. Deranged victim. report abuse disagree 2 agree 2 ... written by sumandakk, July 10, 2008 19:42:12 Dr Azly, you say it was the incident at the PR rally that inspired this totally irrelevant and out of place article... and you invite dialogue about the Malaysian Underground Music Scene. Well ok then... Read this for a start - its a dissertation from a local university student abt the underground scene which is PUNK if you must label it. Do some homework before you and every sensationalist writer chose to twist things. Go here: http://azrisyafiq.blogspot.com...aysia.html Punk essentially is about personal empowerment, about constant questioning those that dictate to you. It is also a Kinabatangan-MP-hand-movement to those that perpetuate injustices in society. Ok so there are several local underground punk anthems dating back to the early 90s, here are 4 from the infamous band Carburetor Dung. Here are the lyrics decide for yourself if they deserve your scorn: Oppression! “We walked so proud, we walked so free” I heard you shout Do all you want, say all the rage you have inside Open your eyes, society See what we got You think you’re free, you think you’re safe You know you’re not! Oppression! What do you read, what can you see Between their lines? What can you do, what can you say When you’re blind? Where should we shout, where should we turn When we see their faults? Are we so thick, are we so dumb Just like they want? Oppression! We’ll raise our voice (no way!) We’ll raise our fists (no way!) Is this your face democracy, conformity? We’ll criticise (no way!) We’ll organise (no way!) Where is our voice, democracy, stability? What should we see? (nothing!) What should we think? (nothing!) Where’s our sight, democracy? You hide the key! You’re blinding me! Oppression! © 1993 - Carburetor Dung need more convincing... WIDE AWAKE o happiness is coming, right on my TV screen my needs are televised, just over channel three wide awake, wide awake turn off the lies wide awake, wide awake don’t ask me why the “truth” that you see are the lies that they feed and it’s not the food that you’re gonna need don’t tell me my life’s alright (wide awake) free speech for one and all, wrote all the media print your dreams’ll be realised, just close your minds and heed wide awake, wide awake turn off the lies wide awake, wide awake wipe out that smile the “truth” that you read are the lies that they feed and it’s all the goods that they’re gonna give don’t tell me my future’s all bright as you keep saying your wrongs are right don’t tell me my life’s alright as you keep binding your ropes so tight © 1996 - Carburetor Dung ok what do they sing about in BM? HANTURAYA PUTRAJAYA intro Suara mu yang lantang melawan, siapa punya?! Rumah mu yang mewah menawan, siapa punya?! Hidup mu yang kenyang senang lenang, siapa punya?! Kebebasan mu yang ada, siapa punya?! Cuba-cuba menaikkan suara aku heret, aku ikat, aku tangkap, aku sumbat! Cuba-cuba menaikkan kepala aku ketuk, aku lepuk, aku luku, aku cantas! Cuba-cuba mencelikkan matamu aku cucuk, aku sembur, aku genyeh, aku jolok! Jangan lupa, jangan alpa! Aku yang berkuasa! intro Cuba-cuba menaikkan suara aku heret, aku ikat, aku tangkap, aku sumbat! Cuba-cuba menaikkan kepala aku ketuk, aku lepuk, aku luku, aku cantas! Cuba-cuba mencelikkan mata aku cucuk, aku sembur, aku genyeh, aku jolok! Ingatlah wahai, manusia! Aku yang berkuasa! Carburetor Dung - Dec 2003 Here's a HUGE anthem in the scene: OUR VOICE/THE FLAG workers of the world friends and foes before me take a look around and think now here’s the life we’re living herded in like animals fed with lies and rulings it’s the time for us to speak now give our world a kicking aren’t we all the victims aren’t we all a joke eyes awake (but) we’re sleeping we run *with the hands of the world we’ll raise this flag hey come together and raise this one flag hey! people unite and raise this flag hey come together we’re flying one flag Our Voice - © Carburetor Dung ‘96 *The Flag - © Red Alert UK Not enough? What does a PAS person think about sunday's do? Go here: http://husammusa.com Husam : Jangan Salahkan Carburetor Dung Youth with brains and opinions? Yup nothing scarier than that. Be afraid, very very afraid. Totally agree its a total threat to 'mental security' to the 'culture of trash' displayed every single day by leaders soiling OUR Parliament. PS: Carburetor Dung, you're heroes - dont worry about the old farts, they're just scared of opinions and free expression, God forbid disgusting elements like that infect our beautiful country. PPS: PKR you're totally punk, you Rock! report abuse disagree 0 agree 9 ... written by sumandakk, July 10, 2008 19:50:12 Sorry Big typo Mistake! That was suppose to read PPS: RPK you're totally punk, you Rock! err PKR i havent decided yet... report abuse disagree 0 agree 2 ... written by SiHangChai, July 10, 2008 20:12:06 I rather worship black mental than Mat rempit report abuse disagree 0 agree 2 ... written by densemy, July 10, 2008 20:39:09 sumandakk...brilliant comment. You are right when you say: "Youth with brains and opinions? Yup nothing scarier than that. Be afraid, very very afraid." That is exactly what the older generations are afraid of, they are afraid that young thinkers will expose them for the frauds they really are. Incompetent inadequate frauds Why do you think the whole of Malaysian Society is directed at suppression of its youth... parents, teachers, government and religionS are all guilty. In other countries the youth are seen as the key to the future, in Malaysia they are seen as carers of the elderly report abuse disagree 0 agree 2 ... written by bobdylan, July 10, 2008 21:21:59 sumanduk....u idiot punk is just insolent noise......what u displayed is very selective ok i'm sorry i called an idiot Preceding the mid-1970s, punk, a centuries-old word of obscure etymology, was commonly used to describe "a young male hustler, a gangster, a hoodlum, or a ruffian".[61] As Legs McNeil explains, "On TV, if you watched cop shows, Kojak, Baretta, when the cops finally catch the mass murderer, they'd say, 'you dirty Punk.' It was what your teachers would call you. It meant that you were the lowest."[62] The first known use of the phrase "punk rock" appeared in the Chicago Tribune on March 22, 1970,.....Wikepedia I use to hang out with punk rockers in the underground movement of malaysia..kl...they re just a bunch of lazy ...no direction losers....who crave for attention by wanting to be diffrent....in the morning they help out at"food not bombs" in the afternoon they go around vandalizing after smoking ganja...in the evening they play stupid punk rock that nobody understands a word unless u look at the lyrics and at night the orgies begin so dun tell me punk is good mr .....selective oppinion. report abuse disagree 6 agree 2 ... written by OilMan, July 10, 2008 22:05:50 Simple question: Do I want my children to be exposed to these black metal thingy? The answer is NO! If your answer is yes then may God save your soul for destroying your children/s future. report abuse disagree 4 agree 2 ... written by La Cha Mau, July 11, 2008 00:19:59 No, Doctor, Death or Black Metal music is not a threat to our mental security. The PUKIMAK TAIK in the present government is. report abuse disagree 1 agree 7 ... written by La Cha Mau, July 11, 2008 00:23:00 And you know why? Because they read the holy book in one hand while the other is used to masturbate themselves and thinking of how to piece together again the Mongolian woman so that they can have a second go at her. What a ****ed up government. report abuse disagree 2 agree 6 ... written by Dr Azly Rahman, July 11, 2008 05:31:54 Folks, Keep this excellent dialogue going. I am learning new things about this genre of music. Sumandakk, I hope I am not disappointing anybody with these arguments. We just need a better understanding of creativity and freedom and the limits of these. report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by surgeffect, July 11, 2008 05:44:45 Dr Azly, would you like to have a meet up about this particular kind of music? I would gladly impart my knowledge of being in the metal scene 10 years strong. I find people always having a negative outlook at metal, and this should not be entirely true. As you know, there is always more to a story than you my know. You may be highly educated in so many fields, but this is mine, and my second is law. Truthfully, i am not particularly entertained at this dramatic discussion you put forth for it is not entirely true. Ironically, your actions are that of those you choose to fight against. send me an email at surgeffect@yahoo.com and, just in case, at jedthephish@gmail.com . report abuse disagree 0 agree 5 ... written by surgeffect, July 11, 2008 05:50:10 By the way, howsoever we have been persecuted, spit upon, shunned, and defamed by society, we metal folks still live on. And there are not many of us around comparatively to the mainstream culture. We are an opposition front of sorts, always remembered as the freaks or the ones who are wrong and what not. Yet we are more misunderstood than evil! Those who seek evil will find evil in anything, even in something as so pure as religion. Mind you, everything is an interpretation one way or another. report abuse disagree 0 agree 10 ... written by roadbarra, July 11, 2008 07:11:01 I think that band's got a lot of dung in their head, judging from the label of that band Carb. Dung. report abuse disagree 2 agree 1 ... written by teo siew chin, July 11, 2008 09:31:52 "...I am learning new things about this genre of music..." ------------ And there we are! Even Dr Azly with his years of knowledge and his vast experience in education still need to learn, still need to open his mind further. He needs to 'plus' his 'minus' perception of black metal. Shucks, don't the majority of us? report abuse disagree 0 agree 6 ... written by Dr Azly Rahman, July 11, 2008 11:00:28 Indeed, teo siew chin. We must continue to learn, even from punk rockers and gangsta rappers and mat rempit hells angels. They too have their own story. To "surgeffect," Thank you for your kind invitation for dialogue. I salute you for your 10 year experience as a metallist. That's call dedication. I have questions though, for you and others: 1. Would Kurt Cobain's (of Nirvana) suicide be a good model of dedication to the American and Malaysian punk rock scene? 2. Would Sid Vicious' (of Sex Pistol) death by OD (overdose) be a good example of dedication to his art? 3. Would glorifying UK and US punk rock groups and connecting them with the history of Malaysian punk rock (started in Trengganu) be a good thing? 4. Why is the philosophy of Do-It-Yourself ethics and value system very attractive to Malaysian punk rockers? 5. Are punk rockers recruiting young members and taking them away from schools? 6. How is the early history of progressive rock different than that of punk rock or even heavy metal? What went wrong with rock music that went wildly off tangent, into death, trash, black, and demonic metal? What's the difference between the music of Genesis, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer with that of say, Carburetor Dung or Mallaria or Pilgrims? I am still learning... report abuse disagree 0 agree 3 ... written by cruzeiro, July 11, 2008 11:33:21 To Malaysian music fans -- is Black Metal a threat to our mental security? ==================== Doc, Don't get to upset with "carburettor I believe your perception of this genre of music is a little "outdated"? I'm no fan of black metal. I'm more into what the headbanger would call "mellow rock" like Folk/jazz/blues/country/Latino Rock & Funk - my aging tympanic membranes & grey cells can't take the "punishment" no more ... ;-). Lennon, McCartney, Clapton , Tull, Prince, Al DiMeola, Jackson Brown, Jeff Beck etc .... these are real Musicians. Anyway, getting to the point - Black Metal, Trash Metal, Death Metal, scrap metal Actually, it is our mental security, which is a threat to Black Metal!! Maybe now you can guess why its popularity is restricted to a 'niche' market. ;-D report abuse disagree 0 agree 5 ... written by teo siew chin, July 11, 2008 12:34:29 There have been many well-known 'artists' and 'gifted' people who take their OWN lives - it is indeed difficult to fit into the norm of a society when one's 'mentality' is beyond that of the common man. But mind you, do they harm others? Anyway folks, on a lighter note, do check out "Russell Peters" in you.tube. He's a hoot! Wonder how he'll do a skit on black metal report abuse disagree 1 agree 2 ... written by Wudan, July 11, 2008 12:37:29 alrite Doc? I don't listen to Black Metal, Trash Metal or Death Metal but I know these bands are not even born when I was listening to the grandfather of metal ~ Black Sabbath. Lately I have dust of the old vinly and this song keep humming in my head. You've seen life through distorted eyes You know you had to learn The execution of your mind You really had to turn The race is run the book is read The end begins to show The truth is out, the lies are old But you don't want to know Nobody will ever let you know When you ask the reasons why They just tell you that you're on your own Fill your head all full of lies The people who have crippled you You want to see them burn The gates of life have closed on you And there's just no return You're wishing that the hands of doom Could take your mind away And you don't care if you don't see again The light of day Nobody will ever let you know When you ask the reasons why They just tell you that you're on your own Fill your head all full of lies Where can you run to What more can you do No more tomorrow Life is killing you Dreams turn to nightmares Heaven turns to hell Burned out confusion Nothing more to tell Everything around you What's it coming to God knows as your dog knows Bog blast all of you Sabbath, Bloody Sabbath Nothing more to do Living just for dying Dying just for you report abuse disagree 0 agree 2 ... written by PASOK, July 11, 2008 13:50:45 Dear Dr. Azly Rahman I think you are totally correct. The music we hear the youths play these days is really like a devil music. I think most of the young people are becoming like devils also. You can tell because the music is name of Atrocious Crimes and Death and so forth. I mean what kind of name is that? Is this part of our culture? It's very bad and we should not allow this. Even the PM has said he does not agree with this kind of words. We should stop all this bad influence on our youth because it causes them a mental problem as you can see from the way they look. Some of the youth look very pity - long hairs, clothes not matching colours and too much laughing about nothing. I think it is a very genius idea to ask Petronas to buy some orchestra and to have more higher sounding music like how my father likes. Only nice songs should be played on the radio and the TV. We should make a panel of top music experts and also maybe someone from the ministry to select the music based on merits. Only the best music should be selected. Our youths must be protected and taught as you say "the noble and peaceful path of evolution" which I think is a very good thing for everyone. We must instruct the youth that this devil music is bad for the mental problem. All this music from this underground place must be ceased with immediate effect. We should declare a war on all this sub culture things and teach everyone the true meaning of a good music to our ears. I hope my comments are useful to you even though I am not qualified. I, like you, wish one day for a utopia ideal with socialism and more human things. report abuse disagree 4 agree 0 ... written by CJ7, July 11, 2008 16:02:04 Dr Azly, with due respect, think ur comment should not be here, here is for new issues tabling. Black Metal is an issue of the past, songs has evolved tremendously that songs sold all over the market whether pop, rock and any other genre is 10 times more explicit compared to Black Metal of 80's to 90's. People has accepted it in the level that do not bother most of us, accepted it as an expression. However, stupid PPM guidelines still does not change due to kiasu attitude and the curb of freedom results in our artists unable to produce expressive soulful songs due to restrictions from many parties. Let me correct myself here, I do not mean songs with F### or S*** would sell but if it is put in a way as part of the flow, what's d big fuss. Let me tell the reader what cannot be played on air, vulgar words (fair enuf), branded words eg, gucci, adidas (stupid rule), about war (stupid rules), sex (too subjective but what d hack), religous words ie Jesus, lord (stupid rules), Gospel Songs (stupid rules but can play Xmas song). All these seems to curb radio stations unable to play most of the songs in the market, even top 40 charts. Hitz FM refused to play VIVA LAVIDA by COLDPLAY, a beautiful song coz it has the word Roman Catholic. Is not the stations fault but the stupid Public Performance Rules, headed by a stupid indian lawyer that cover his ass most of the time, charge the radio huge amount of sum but cannot play this and that, but those songs are legally selling in any music shops. Sounded like Samy, could be related. Lets compare here, Singapore allow uncensored radio stations and the stations are rational enuf to play songs that are not full with F*** words, are they more hooligans than us? At least tiada Mat Rempit, snatch thieves widespread, more civilised than us, whether you like to here this or not. Think Malaysian, Think, we are here to change, mere black metal would affect d society? Those crooks out there are with ties and suits, planning murder while flirting around listening to CLASSICAL music. Dr Azly, am disappointed with you after all your respected articles, now I call u dog..der, move on. report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by CJ7, July 11, 2008 16:14:51 DUN COMMENT ON MUSIC IF U KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT MUSIC report abuse disagree 0 agree 5 ... written by SUV, July 11, 2008 21:17:45 hey,siapa yg cakap carburetor dung cow dung,dia tu dunggu no1!! ..carbs n butterfingers,fooh weeh man!! pop shuvit pun cool jugak...eh cruz,u oso jeff beck fan eh..  .. report abuse disagree 0 agree 2 ... written by SUV, July 11, 2008 21:19:32 doc must listen to niravans last album in utero..god taaaaaaaaaaaaste!!taste meeeeeeeeeh!!!  report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by SUV, July 11, 2008 21:43:01 hehe..ori lyrics of scentless apperentice buat masa sekalang tak boleh le tunjuk..hehe..terpaksalah modify siki siki.,kerna atmosfera penuh dengan bunyi riXat...but wat a song!!fiercest growl!!  report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by DanielYahya, July 12, 2008 07:06:34 While I'm not really a big fan of Black Metal in particular, I've been listening to a wide range of metal music since I was a kid. I first started with the usual Metallica back in 1989, and back in 1996, a friend of mine introduced me to the more extreme side of music with bands like Napalm Death, Carcass, Cannibal Corpse and some others, including some black metal bands like Immortal and Burzum. I think I turned out pretty okay. I don't worship Satan, I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't screw around with anak dara orang, I don't do drugs and I'm not a mat rempit. I really don't think the music is the problem. Let's take Cannibal Corpse for instance. Some might say the lyrics glorifies mutilation, gore, murder and stuff like that. But you think about it, what difference does it make from any horror movies available out there? Is it really glorifying murder, or just black humour? Yes, there are instances where metal musicians go out of the norm like what the good Dr. Azly mentioned in his article. But is that because of the music, or the their screwed up belief in the first place? Besides, I can say the same thing about Hip-Hop artists who glorifies drugs, prostitution and objectifies women in their videos. To me that's even more dangerous, because it is always on our media, and it is widely accepted as the norm today. On drug use in musicians, it's not just rock artists that uses drugs. Jamal Abdillah was a drug abuser, Salim from the band Iklim was a drug abuser. Britney Spears was/is a drug abuser. While single out punk/rock musicians? If we want to point out bad examples, it's really easy. report abuse disagree 0 agree 11 ... written by charcoy feng, July 12, 2008 07:57:39 First listened to Carburetor Dung when i was in secondary school and it was around the year 1993/1994. The song that caught my attention was "Boo Hoo Clapping Song". In fact I can even sing it now because the lyrics are simple and at the same time very meaningful. At that time I would rather happily listen to them than listening to any boy band, rap artist or most of the pop artist who most of the time sings about sex and the materialistic world..... report abuse disagree 0 agree 3 ... written by sumandakk, July 12, 2008 10:31:42 Hi all, I'm at the Sarawak Rainforest Music Festival here in Kuching. Fabulous!Love it! Could never happen in West Malaysia - too much prejudice and judgemental holier than thou stuff happening over there to just let your hair down and have some simple fun and maybe let off some steam and frustration. I mean the Ulek Mayang is banned! Look at how our hero musicians like P Ramlee and Sudirman were treated in their life times - how did they (and Elvis and Karen Carpenter et al) leave the building? Anyway just wanted to say I saw Badawi & wifey jingling away to some tribal music last night, half naked men and a good drum beat. They looked really happy and looked like they were letting off some steam. Just as well Badawi has a hell week coming his way. BTW Alak singer (of blue boxer shorts) is an architect. If I'm not mistaken trained at UiTM Shah Alam. Fendi the bassist co directed the highest rating TV show ever on 8TV, Kami, with his wife, he has no tertiary training, the full length film will be coming out later this year. Tom guitarist runs a music jam studio for kids, Joe Kidd guitarist runs a DIY shop selling music film poetry and art from the south east asian region (oh by the way he also designed the clenched fist logo for PSM) and Bullet drummer is an (ethical) businessman, married with 6 kids. All his kids are into punk rock. report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by sumandakk, July 12, 2008 10:45:22 Dr Azly, you write as if you condemn Western Influence. I'm surprised especially as you've spent a lifetime in US Universities. I checked your blog, http://azlyrahman-illuminations.blogspot.com/ Under the 37 odd theorists you list, there are 3 or 4 Asians that I could spot (Indian and Arab) and none from South East Asia. report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by SUV, July 12, 2008 11:39:07 cromok!!!aiyaah..dis group is a legend..n very qualified oso... report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by SUV, July 12, 2008 11:57:28 the butterfingers kembali.. http://inertz.org/2008/02/16/t...-kembali/ excellent!!  report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by Dr Azly Rahman, July 12, 2008 12:41:00 Dear all, I found this story below. It is about Black/Thrash Metallists in Seremban some time ago engaging in wild parties and dishonoring the Quran. Can anyone verify if this is widespread in Malaysia? Is this a true picture of what our youth has grown up to become, through music? Do Malaysian punk rockers and skinheads engage in such practices too? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pesta Black Metal , pijak Quran di Seremban Harian Metro 5 Dis SEREMBAN: Perhimpunan sekumpulan 105 pengikut Black Metal, di sebuah dewan di bandar ini, kelmarin, termasuk dari Kuala Lumpur, dikatakan menggunakan nama Persatuan Silat Cekak untuk memohon permit polis. Kegiatan mereka terbongkar apabila serbuan polis mendapati mereka sebenarnya bersuka-ria dalam pesta Black Metal. Kumpulan itu, termasuk empat remaja perempuan, rata-rata berusia belasan tahun hingga 30-an itu berada di Dewan Persatuan Masyarakat Ceylon, sejak jam 2 petang hingga diserbu polis pada 8.20 malam. Perhimpunan itu mendapat permit polis dan Majlis Perbandaran Seremban (MPS), kerana penganjur pesta itu memohon mengadakan persembahan menggunakan nama Persatuan Silat Cekak. Pesta itu bukan saja dihadiri remaja tempatan, malah turut disertai peminat Black Metal, termasuk dari utara tanah air, Kuala Lumpur dan Singapura yang dikatakan hanya perlu membayar RM18 untuk menyertainya. Ketika serbuan, kebanyakan pengikut Black Metal itu asyik menari dan menyanyikan lagu Black Metal yang dipasang di dewan berkenaan. Kebanyakan pesta itu berpakaian serba hitam atau berbaju T putih dan berseluar gelap yang memaparkan corak dan gambar ganas, menakutkan serta memakai aksesori seperti rantai salib terbalik dan pentagram, sesuai dengan ketaksuban mereka dalam aliran muzik hitam itu. Ketua Polis Daerah, Asisten Komisioner Hasanuddin Hasan, berkata polis menerima maklumat mengenai kegiatan kumpulan Black Metal itu kira-kira jam 2 petang kelmarin, selepas orang ramai mengesyaki perhimpunan yang mencurigakan. “Kami membuat serbuan kira-kira jam 8.20 malam apabila kami mendapat tahu tindakan mereka ada cubaan unsur ganas dan menyimpang daripada ajaran Islam termasuk dikatakan berhasrat untuk memijak al-Quran. “Bagi memastikan perkara seperti itu tidak berlaku, polis menahan mereka bagi menghalang aktiviti yang bertentangan dengan agama itu,” katanya di sini, semalam. Menurutnya, daripada yang ditangkap itu, 30 daripada mereka, termasuk tiga warga Singapura, didapati positif dadah dalam ujian air kencing. Polis turut merujuk tiga daripada remaja terbabit kepada Jabatan Hal Ehwal Islam Negeri Sembilan (Jains) untuk tindakan lanjut kerana bersabit masalah akidah. “Baki remaja lain dibebaskan selepas keterangan masing-masing diambil,” katanya. Beliau berkata, kumpulan berkenaan sebelum ini dikatakan pernah menganjurkan aktiviti sama di Port Dickson dan dipercayai berusaha mengembangkan budaya Black Metal di beberapa daerah lain. “Polis tidak akan berkompromi dengan kumpulan berkenaan yang cuba mengembangkan sayap mereka di negeri ini. “Kami harap ibu bapa mengawasi anak masing-masing daripada terjebak aktiviti tidak sihat ini,” katanya. Budaya Black Metal pernah menggemparkan negara apabila Harian Metro membuat liputan secara besar-besaran berhubung gerakan muzik underground yang menyesatkan itu di seluruh negara pada 2001 dan 2002. Pengikut budaya songsang itu pernah mencuri tumpuan kerana dikatakan bertindak di luar batasan, termasuk membakar, memijak surah al-Quran dan berzina di depan kitab suci itu. Baru-baru ini, kerajaan membatalkan konsert Mayhem iaitu kumpulan Black Metal dari Norway, yang sepatutnya membuat persembahan di disko Backroom, Kuala Lumpur, yang dijadualkan pada 4 Februari depan. report abuse disagree 1 agree 0 ... written by sumandakk, July 12, 2008 12:46:35 Dear Dr Azly, since when did you give HARIAN METRO any credence? report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by DanielYahya, July 12, 2008 12:59:46 Indeed, I do recall one of my online acquaintances being there during the raid. No such thing as stepping on the Koran happened during the gig. But I do remember there was a few ridiculous news items in Metro. With this Pak Cik Paku character, fornication on the Koran, and the "Kitab Black Metal Bertulisan Jawi". They printed these so called "news" but never brought forward any evidence to support their claim at all. And back in 2001 or was it 2002, I remember our Ex Menteri Besar of Selangor reporting a "Pink Metal" Blaspemers that enagages sex... dah takde issue sangat kot.... report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by Dr Azly Rahman, July 12, 2008 13:23:14 Here's an interesting entry on metal music: ------------------------------------------------------ The New Wave of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM) and hardcore punk influenced the creation of Thrash. Some leading NWOBHM bands are Iron Maiden, Diamond Head and Venom. Lars Ulrich was so inspired by the NWOBHM movement he felt the need to create Metallica. Thrash lyrics focuses on concrete horrors of the real or possibly real world; power, political corruption and horrors done by people to others or to the environment. Megadeth draws on the political side in their most recent albums. However, this does not mean that all thrash metal has to follow these reoccurring themes. It’s a genre that’s constantly changing. The themes of death, suicide and decay became so strong that thrash spawned another sub-genre creatively named death metal. Death metal increases the brutality component to thrash. The obvious differentation is that singers growl, snarl and use the throat to distort the voice. The vocals sounding thoroughly evil is essential to a death metal identity. Not all bands can pull this off, and the term "Cookie Monster vocals" has been used to make fun of them. Monster metal, cookie monster, heavy metal The death metal lyrics are morbid and gruesome, but if you find them lacking in detail you can explore the spin off genre called gore metal. Songs can have a narrative quality, and there are on-going developments of themes and motifs that can span an album or the band’s overall persona. There are often abrupt tempos and time signature changes. It’s extremely fast and has complex guitar and drum work. Blast beats patterns are used frequently. Like Thrash metal, the instruments are down-tuned and are sometimes distorted. Death Metal often gets confused with Black Metal. At face value band members of both genres can wear corpse paint; white foundation and black patterns on their faces. If they’re painted then chances are they’re also wearing a bastardized version of S&M gear meets thrash band shirts. Immortal, Heavy Metal Immortal. At least their music is great. The genres are not usually identified on aesthetic forms alone so labels can’t easily be applied to some bands. This makes for vicious arguments on metal forums. Black Metal can be classified as adherence to the original style of fast guitars, limited production and a melancholic atmosphere. Or an easier way of identifying the style is on the lyrical or philosophical ideology of the music. Originally Black Metal was in thematic opposition to Christianity. This has broadened since it was conceived and it now draws on Satanism, old Pagan traditions, fantasy and occultism. Norwegian Black Metal attracted negative media attention when it started in the late 80’s to early 90’s. Minorities in the sub-culture sporadically burned down a handful of heritage churches. Then in 1991 founding band Mayhem’s singer Dead committed suicide. The popular (and I'll argue sell-out) black metal band Cradle of Filth portrays blood lust and demonic entities that do unmentionable sexual acts to nuns that is in strong contrast with their personal lives. After all, the singer, Dani Filth, has to read Disney stories to his toddler daughter each night. The overlapping genres and grandiose melancholy has to be taken with a reality check. That’s why the greatest thing about metal is the duality of passion for the music as well as seeing the humour in it. report abuse disagree 1 agree 1 ... written by uzumaki naruto, July 12, 2008 13:24:54 first and foremost, i'm not into black/death metal stuff. never was and never will that's for sure. reason being,i don't find any artistic value in them. i feel they are not making music but plain repulsive sound and nauseating noise.yup, that's what they are doing - the art of making disgusting sound. only tone deaf geeks would appreciate such rubbish. so to all black/death metallist & diehard fans out there, too bad if you don't like this view. carry on make some more noise if that would make you happy. oh..ya before any of you jump on me, let me proudly tell you this. i can do guitar riff of Yngwie, Martin Friedman, Paul Gilbert to name a few right on the note. hell ya,...in fact, i can do Eric Johnson's 'cliffs of dover' better than Eric himself. so don't play-play aaa.... ok, i think i'll change hat from a music critic to doc azly's article critic. this is how i see him. doc azly logic in his writing above comes from a simplistic thinking faculty (as usual). he highlights all the extreme negative aspect of the music genre/culture and relate that direct/indirectly to the nonconstructive and destructive social behavior. he then suggests in a sweeping manner that such genre is a threat to mental security. kind of 'poison the well' logic. of course he puts question mark at the end, but that just to play safe or maybe he forgot to put his lecturer hat off thus treating m-t readers like undergraduate college students. maybe we should emulate his logic and pose him this question. if one were to highlight the act of bright young individuals like Hasib Hussein, Siddiek Khan, S.Tanweer to name a few and the rest, and suggests that the idea/culture that they subscribe to is a threat to mental security - would you agree to that and why not??? naruto report abuse disagree 2 agree 3 ... written by Dr Azly Rahman, July 12, 2008 13:40:06 Good comments, Naruto. Thanks for those those good generative questions. Let us see how our readers respond to the article above on the history of thrash metal :-) BTW-- congratulations for being a good rock guitarist. For those about to rock, we salute you... The best guitarist of them all is of course STEVE HOWE of YES :-)Better than Ritchie Blackmore, Jimmy Page, Mark Knopler, Malmsteen, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Van Halen, or even Joe Satrianni and Hillary Ang of Search. (Man Kidal of Lefthanded is of a different class.) report abuse disagree 1 agree 0 ... written by sumandakk, July 12, 2008 13:48:15 Is Black Metal a threat to our mental security? No. report abuse disagree 0 agree 3 ... written by cruzeiro, July 12, 2008 17:52:24 Doc, I'm really disappointed with you stressing on "the evil" of Black/Heavy/Death Metal. You definitely have plenty of hangups - leave them to their devices, Doc! There is just as much Hypocrisy in many a soft music - in fact, I can even tell you for afact that there are preachers who think that Mozart and Beethoven's music are "evil", just as they once said African Beats, Reggae, Elvis, Beatles, Led Zep were/are! Do you know that they play and manipulate sounds of the music with gadgets to prove that they are right? Come on Doc - don't start looking for Ghosts you believe in under your bed - they're in your mind! report abuse disagree 0 agree 5 ... written by SUV, July 12, 2008 18:43:02 whats wrong wit evil?apa nak takut?actually aah ,they being honest n truthful about their self.. ..doc,u is the no include hendrix?..naruto..wow!!u can "goreng" like eric johnson..waah good man!!me sebenarnya,dah lama tak dengar music..memang lama..tapi pengoreng pengoreng sy suka kim thayil(soundgarden),morello(ratm).. report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by SUV, July 12, 2008 18:44:11 hendrix,led zep were the god papas of metal music kan? report abuse disagree 0 agree 1 ... written by SUV, July 12, 2008 18:48:43 tenggok aah..darkness" worshippin boleh karang liriks/lagu macam ni.. The embers of the saint inside of you Are growing as Im bathing in your glow Im swallowing the poison of your flower And hanging on the rising of my low Colorful and falling from your mouth Like a painted fever in recoil Like a lie without the pain On a pillow of your bones I will lay across the stones Of your shore until the tide comes crawling back A waning hand on silver granite ways Will mend my broken limbs and bend my haze Im sleeping in the silence of your voice Im cradling the peril of my only choice Colorful and falling from your mouth Like a painted fever in recoil Like a lie without the pain On a pillow of your bones I will lay across the stone Of your shore until the tide comes crawling back Throw my pillow on the fire Make my bed under the eye Of your moon until the tide comes crawling back Even though the truth can burn inside or fall behind I will wander through your open mind And you will find no lie can hide Until the tide comes crawling susu minuming moralist pat boone pulak bikin kasi orang tidur..zzzz report abuse disagree 0 agree 0 ... written by SUV, July 12, 2008 18:50:29 aiyaah dah lupa...itu lirik/lagu chris cornell pillow of your bones(dri album solo dia euphoria morning) report abuse disagree 0 agree 0 ... written by wiltda13, July 13, 2008 02:00:48 Wow.. this remind me of Mastika review on black metal last time I read where the kid having sex with his girlfirend naked on top of many Quran which has been arranged neatly on top of their bed. (Yes I read everything). Aah.. C'mon Doc. I used to listen to those music when I was teenagers before..I am really into it but not to point where I renounce my religion or burning church or mosque. Just to know how it feel like. Believe it or not.. I rarely listen to those thing anymore, but I still can listen to it if I want to. My taste has gone to Jazz and Classic.. This two has much more 'devil' that what most of people know.. report abuse disagree 0 agree 0 ... written by SUV, July 13, 2008 13:38:17 My taste has gone to Jazz and Classic.. This two has much more 'devil' that what most of people know.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- wooho!wilt kembali!! ..yea dats rite man..sun ra..nookooliur war is a mofo..haha... report abuse disagree 0 agree 0 ... written by Dr Azly Rahman, July 13, 2008 21:56:55 Dear all, What a discussion! We should congratulate each other. I learned a lot of new things about the underground music scene, just by reading the intelligent and insightful comments provided by all of you -- especially by those compelled to defend their right to their music. Like I said earlier, I am always learning and will continue to do so. Like all of you, I will continue to provide insights and my own understanding of the phenomena under study/we are discussing. Indeed, music is a part of us and changing times present the genre of human creativity that reflect our desire to continue to become more and more creative and original. But there is also the element of ethics, morality, and altruism that I believe must become the basis of inspiration as well. My worry is that each successive generation will become more and more uninterested in exploring the deeper foundation of things, drowned in the dictates of market forces alone. Artists, musicians, writers, poets are amongst the most creative and deeply philosophical individuals who must guide society from further degenerating and help the youth to become thinkers themselves so that -- as in the case of mat rempits, ah longs, etc. -- will not be used by political forces that are merely interested in turning them into utilities and fascistic groups. To the defenders of death metal, I salute your deep understanding of what you are defending. You have taught me something new. But still, progressive rock is king! And the best guitarist is Steve Howe of YES. report abuse disagree 1 agree 1 ... written by Vik, July 16, 2008 22:08:41 First of all people. Don't call the good doctor names. He was stating his opinion. Why are we behaving like UMNO? He stated his opinion, now let me state mine. Kurt Cobain (God bless him) shot himself. With a shotgun nonetheless. It was'nt death metal's fault was it? Many a time, we listen and sing along to songs with lyrics refer to actions that we probably would never actually replicate in real life. Many a time we call our friends *******s, but they dont shrink to a circle with a hole in the middle on someone's posterior. If you call someone a Motherf*cker, its doesnt mean that they're gonna go back home and do their mother. Death metal is music. Believe it or not, I don't like it. But i can't judge people for it. I like trance music, which to me is from the gods, but other people like hip hop because it refers to thongs and ho's and the hood. There are people who condemn every single art form. No art form in this world is without scrutiny. I scrutinize pop music 24 hours a day. I think the Backstreet Boys are a bunch of untalented pricks who can look good, but cant write their own songs. I think that Hip Hop losts its lustre 10 years ago. I think that the RnB that reaches our ears on the radio is crap, but if you go down to New Orleans, to some shady pub, the R&B thats sang so soulfully by 50 year old lady is priceless... We all have our qualms. But we cannot, and SHOULD NOT judge. report abuse disagree 0 agree 0 ... written by prof, August 02, 2008 22:55:32 For Malaysians who love music Black Metal is not really a threat to their mental security. The biggest threat to Malaysians mental security is the BN federal government which is ruining and destroying the country day in day out with all the machinery at their finger tips. report abuse disagree 0 agree 0 ... written by Aizad 234, August 07, 2008 20:15:20 Guys, plz dont condemn Carburator Dung since they'd been shouting and singing about (freedom of speech, about the police brutality,dirty politics) since the early 80's .Yes , they had started at early 80's. They are not some ordinary punk rock band who dont have jobs or nothing to do... They are 'the voices of people in aggresive way'. U guys should know, without these punk rock/metal/indie bands, new generation(some of it) wouldn't interested in politics which is crucial for our nation future.And for your information, the famous song by Carburator Dung, Mari Jilat Menjilat was'nt meant for DSAI but was for the corrupted poticians mainly from Barisan Nasional and the song was written/performed by Carb even before Anwar's allegation of sodomy hit the news. report abuse disagree 0 agree 0 Write comment This content has been locked. You can no longer post any comment. You must be logged in to a comment. Please register if you do not have an account yet. |
"The black metal scene gained some unsought mass media attention in 1991 when Mayhem's frontman Dead (left) committed suicide by a shotgun blast to his head. His note simply read "Excuse all the blood". The ammunition was supplied by Varg Vikernes.
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We should control poison type of music which could affect the youngsters as a lot of the lyrics are full with vulgure, crime, drug presentation etc. They are also written in such a way to be odd from society unity.
No doubt they are also good music even it is rock, hence our gomen has to put effort in screening through.