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Our students are being treated like extensions of the Malaysian secondary schools and they in turn treat the university as a place wherein facts are merely to be regurgitated at the end of the semester examinations.

Dr. Azly Rahman dr.azly.rahman@gmail.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
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My parents, like those of many of you readers too, only managed to complete Darjah Tiga/ Standard Three of their education. Poverty and the nature of 'human capital revolution' during the 1940s did not afford them the luxury of being in an ivory tower.

One became a taxi driver and the other first, a seamstress and next, a factory worker in Singapore assembling microchips for a German multinational corporation. They would leave for work at four or five in the morning and come home at seven at night. That was the story of their lives. I am sure they too had the dream of entering a place called the university.

They spent their time -hard times- that took toll on their personal lives, raising their children to enter the university.

But they had an intelligent hunch, they believed universities will make everybody come out smarter and able to think critically, creatively, and altruistically. They did not have the knowledge of political economy to decipher the fact that universities are closely linked to the politics of the day.

I still believe what my parents believed, that universities ought to make people come out smarter and able to solve problems in as many ways as they possibly can. Universities ought to make them able to articulate ideas, expound ideas, and make the graduates closer to the 'masses' and not to the 'power elites'.

Universities ought to make its graduates understand the meaning of human liberation. Universities ought to help humans have all the qualities mentioned and at the same time help them get a decent job. One that will evolve into a career and ultimately become a calling.

Like my mother especially who would say, "Belajar lah pandai pandai Ah-Lik, nanti boleh masuk universiti." ("Study hard Ah-Lik, you can then enter the university")'

I too believe in this mantra which says that universities must be the place to make one more intelligent.

Cultures of Disability

What has become of our public universities? Have we created cultures of disability in the way we teach our students how to think?

The public seems to be feeling betrayed. Too often now in the emerging progressive media, we hear such lamentations below:

"Our universities have lost their sense of historic and philosophical mission; we are seeing a university shackled by the ideology that has developed historical- materialistically out of the mold of Western and Eastern colonialism."

Our academic leaders are seemingly trying hard to please their political masters of the day; they seem to be imitating the role of the intelligentsia rather than of organic intellectuals. Their creativity and sense of democracy is 'guided' by a philosophy of instrumentalism, rather than radical multiculturalism.

Our academic staff are overwhelmingly afraid to speak up on issues that matter most to the destiny of the nation: increasing authoritarianism, Oriental Despotism, rule of technocracy, the plundering of our national wealth by those in the ruling elites, destruction of our rainforests and our environment, blind following of the ideology of developmentalism, and the silencing of civil servants as well as academicians through dictates and documents that are archaic and styled perhaps after the rule of J.W.W. Birch, the resident of Malay settlement of the 1800s. Their minds are conditioned to obey.

Our students are being treated like extensions of the Malaysian secondary schools and they in turn treat the university as a place wherein facts are merely to be regurgitated at the end of the semester examinations. Therefore they now expect to be spoon-fed all the time, even during job interviews.

Our campuses are becoming a battleground of political leaders from the "pro-aspirasi kerajaan" (pro-government aspiration and 'pro-pembangkang' (pro-Opposition.) The words 'aspiration' and 'opposition' are cleverly used to create the 'good guy' versus 'bad guy' dichotomy in Malaysian politics, masking the real issues.

We need a brand new political order altogether. Our students are not skilled in reading between the lines, since they are skilled memorisers of facts and blind receptors/recipients of ideologies.

Our classrooms are turning to be real lecture theatres wherein the lecturers and the professors are mostly not keen in engaging in dialogical, dialectical, and didactical teaching. Our university lecturers/professors think they are 'sages on stage' and not 'Socrates the liberator' and a guide on the side. They have become 'modular-type' instructors.

Our universities are more interested in specialising themselves into this and that universities – Management, Multimedia, Agricultural, Technology, Social Sciences, the Arts, etc. etc. – undermining the value of a broad and strong foundation of the arts and humanities which should form the basis of any institution called a 'university'.

A 'Universiti UMNO' -- a little bit too much for an institution -- was once mooted. The more specialised the universities are, the better they can be ideologically controlled. This seems to be the nature of hegemonic system of thinking which is prevailing.

Our graduates are being churned out in a diploma mill -some within three years only – we now have unemployed graduates by the tens of thousands. They were given the promise to finish early and they ended up without jobs.

Our academicians do not produce enough bodies of knowledge; ones that would challenge every aspect of the foundation of ideas which are prevailing today. We continue to produce knowledge base that is 'instrumental reason' and technocratic in nature; produced out of lecture theatres, tutorial rooms, and textbook-publishing houses that fail to critique the dominant ideology.

Our universities are not only funded by the ruling coalition party that is under scrutiny for big-time corruption, wastage, and at the brink of being replaced, but also by corporations at home and abroad that are interested in seeing that the graduates are graduating from the mold of the corporate-government-industrial complex.

Our universities are fertile grounds for the indoctrination of ideas and the funneling down of slogans – from the idea of a K-economy, Islam Hadhari to modal insan (human capital).

We continue to be sloganised.

Academicians diligently frame their research question, methodology, findings, conclusion, and recommendations to fit the citra-rasa/agenda of the ruling ideology of the day. Our universities ride the waves of Nationalisation, Islamisation, Information Technologisation, Globalisation, and now Bio-technologisation – because they choose not to stop and look at the waves first and ride them later.

We have created cultures of disability in our public universities.

Our politicians, especially those involved in education beginning from the time of Independence have not clearly understood the role of a university in a nation that is coming out of colonialism. Not enough radicalism has been cultivated on campuses.

Because the developmental agenda of the nation is tied to the role of the universities, the latter has become an apparatus of the ideology of modernisation and hypermodernisation; two continuing processes of the development of base and superstructure that define what we are now, a neo-colonialist corporatist nation that is even more complexly tied to the international system of modern slavery ruled via the regime of globalisation.

What inroads need we take to reconstruct our public universities? We must go back to philosophy for possible solutions.

Cultures of Ability


To enable our public universities, we ought to embark upon, borrowing the title of Nelson Mandela's autobiography, a 'long walk to freedom' by taking the following steps:

Understand the philosophy and historic mission of universities; those in the business should be able to articulate the meaning and manifestation of a university.

Understand the meaning of hegemony and how it was crafted in the previous regime of Dr. Mahathir and how we ought to craft ourselves out of it. We ought to understand how not to get into any newer form of hegemony.

We ought to understand how to be totally free and how to live a philosophical life that values the quest for meaning rather than the quest for political and material Epicureanism.

Understand theories of knowledge and its application to all spheres of university education so that we may not merely turn our ivory towers into creating people and ideas that will turn this nation into a haven for economic exploitation of global multinational corporations.

Our universities are increasingly influenced by market forces in that we become slaves to industries that are themselves slaves to technological inventions that do not have an end to their own progress.

Our graduates in the scientific and technological fields are discovering that they are becoming victims to the onslaught of shifting technologies and the emotionless system of advanced capitalist formation that shift jobs and retrenches people in the name of corporate downsizing, corporate re-engineering, and in meeting the needs of specialised labor.

This means that these major global corporations that dictate the needs of labor to be produced from our universities are finding it more profitable to either automate or to move their operations to nations that can sell human labor even cheaper.

Understand the role of universities viz-a-viz for a truly democratic nation; in a democracy that values pastoralism and meaningful participation rather than one that advances protectionism and the plundering of public wealth.

Study progressive reform movements that have helped advance the development of intellectual culture in universities. Create students who are radical enough to challenge not only corrupt practices but also challenge paradigms of thinking. This is the ethos that create frontier thinkers in any society.

Learn to deconstruct ideology by understanding what the German philosopher Jurgen Habermas call 'ideologikritik', the art and science of understanding the structure of knowledge and the human-constituted interests which embody it.

By understanding how knowledge, particularly instrumental/technical knowledge is constructed, and who owns and control its development, we can better understand how to deconstruct it to become more humane.

Inject critical theory and critical sensibility into our daily academic practices. Familiarise ourselves with the work of institutions such as The Vienna Circle, The Berlin School of Logical Positivists, The Frankfurt School of Social Research, The Birmingham School of Cultural Studies, LEKRA, ASAS 50, and our own Malaysian school of progressive thoughts.

Encourage cutting edge social and cultural research and understand alternative economic theories that value the development of the people, by the people, for the people.

Improve the quality of Foundation courses so that they may help our graduates ground their studies and future practices in the reading of great works in cross-cultural, inter-religious, and socially-real human experiences. Revamp foundational studies to emphasise on deep and broad reading of great work of literature and the humanities and to have students read timeless classics of Asian and world cultures.

Implement Affirmative Action and Cultural diversity policies that will help us understand and be aware of what 'Equal Opportunity Employment' means. Have color-blind policies that include total desegregation of universities that are too ethnocentric. Implement principles of meritocracy as well.

Improve instructional practices across the board, taking advantage of emerging digital technologies that will be used for the advancement of 'digital proletariatism' rather than to enrich computer technology vendors well-connected to politicians. Turn lecturers/professors into powerhouses of teaching faculty; ones that are not only well-versed in their subject matter but also skilled in delivery.

Improve faculty workload so that they may have time to think like a philosopher rather than be, like a 'homo academicus' in the age of the smart machine, the academician who is being caught in the conveyor belt of knowledge production controlled by those who own the nation and international production-houses of knowledge.

Ignite intellectual fervor in our students. Challenge them with more and more questions, like Socrates did with the Athenians. To be smart one's thinking need to be radicalised. Encourage students to be involved in political organizations and be radical idealists while at the same time emphasise the need to be academically superior as well.

Improve students' higher-order thinking skills, challenge them into newer intellectual heights. Encourage them to express their views, cultivate their radicalism and nurture it so that. Award those who can think more than just outside the box but those who can destroy old boxes to create newer and better ones.

Feed the radical students with more and more radical theories of social change, so that when they become leaders they will ignite peaceful revolutions that speaks truth to power and bring happiness to the poor.

Ensure that politicians who do not know much about university education do not interfere with learning. Allow as many politicians from as diverse camp as possible to dialogue with students so that the latter can sample as many ideologies as possible or even challenge the invited speakers.

Involve all levels of people in continuing education. The university must encourage each one of the staff members to achieve as much as they can through programs in continuing education and professional development.

Attract competent teaching faculty from diverse philosophical perspectives to intellectually enrich our students in the universities. Bring in scholars who live and die with their ideologies – capitalists, free enterprisers, Marxists, neo- Marxists, modernists, post-modernists, religionists, atheists, nationalists, internationalists, rockers, rock and rollers and rappers.

Let a thousand flowers bloom in each and every Malaysian university.

Monitor and deal democratically and dialogically with all forms of extremism in thinking. Do not witch-hunt them or order the courts to shut them up.

Explore the idea of creative de-evolution and 'revillagisation' as an alternative to urbanism. We should evolve into peaceful and cultured people of the rural and urban greens.

There is beauty in agricultural economy, over the excessive brutishness of industrialism.

Explore transcultural socialism and its philosophical and practical underpinnings; one based on a system of moral economy that ensures equitable, regulative, and distributive justice and one rooted in the supremacy of metaphysics.

Since we are interested in the future of our children's intellectual development, let us begin our dialogues on how to reconstruct our public universities.

Let us inquire into the complex relationship between the State and the Universities and how the contradictions are always present. How much intervention must the Universities allow the State to have?

To whom must the allegiance of the universities lie?

Abolish repressive clauses in the University and University Colleges Act of 1971 and discard the Surat Akujanji that has been used to instill fear in students, staff, and even thinking academicians.

Education is about renewing prosperity, rejuvenating hope, and redefining our practices.

Above all, education is about educare (from Latin) meaning the drawing out of human potentials, so that our students, as my mother would say, "boleh jadi orang pandai, boleh tolong anak bangsa." ("can become intelligent and can help the children of your race")

I would adapt her notion of social justice to boleh tolong bangsa Malaysia (to help the Malaysian race) or, better still, borrowing the great storyteller Pramoedya Ananta Toer, "boleh tolong anak semua bangsa." ("to help the children of Humanity")

Let us see if we can create a university as such -- intellectual progress requires the cultivation of such radicalism. Or let us see which State will be the first to create such a radical place of unbounded, pleasurable, meaningful, and lifelong learning.
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written by deemah, June 18, 2008 08:40:57
few suggestions:

1. revamap the minggu orientasi in public universities. It is time to treat freshies like adults - not like a bunch of chickens and ducks.
2. all vice chancellors should like into the strategic planning OF THE UNIVERSITY - not of themselves on how to get their term of office renewed.
3. public luniversities must be brave enought to tell the Minister what is proper for their universities. They should know better. But in malaysia it is the other way around. Minister seems to be the smart alec Who dictates what marketing and strategic plan are. Nonsens!
4. Introduce more soft skill subjects. Allow soft skill subjects as electives. For example - if tengineering students wants to take 3 credit hours of photography, dance and theatre, music appreciation - so be it.
5. All outgoing Vice Chancellors must go back to their respective faculties and learn how to stand tall as a research professor or something. they shouyld stop living in their fantasy.
4. Politicians should stop meddling in our educational system. They have done a lot of damage and never brave enought to own onwership of their unworkable ideas.
5. Stope inviting politicians to launch seminars and confrerences. Waste of time, energy and money. (Usually after the launch of any event kthey speak to the press about many other things that have no relevance to the event that they officiated).
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written by Ken Liew, June 18, 2008 08:42:43
Delete all the Racist Headmaster/mistress.......

Stop politics the U. And U should teach people to work togather, not be race......
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written by Awaken64, June 18, 2008 08:57:17
The choice of VC & Deans are all tuned to dance to the puppeteer Government. Some of them actually do not fit the robe more suited to be gardners.
To my horror in a meeting with an established Uni the VC and Prof were not intelligent in making their argument heard. This reflects the ever pleasing mentality or herd mentality. They need a large group to feel secure and hence explains why we have over 1.5 mil government servents. The majority of the products from these Uni end up unemployed or Gomen servents.
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written by cwy, June 18, 2008 10:53:24
This is indeed an excellet article on Education!
This not only on what education is about, it is also about human development.
We should allow each individual to develop to his fullest potential!
The human development should even begin when a person is in his mother's womb.
It's ridiculous that our government and many of the appointed vice-chancellors are unaware of what the author says, 'Radicalism in Education' esp. in our universities where 'Liberalism and Diversity of Thoughts' are to be encouraged.
I hope that those who are involved dedicatedly in Education in our beloved country should respond to this article so that we have prosperity and hope in our future.
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written by budakindia, June 18, 2008 10:55:49
first and foremost, kick UMNO out! smilies/angry.gif
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written by SocratesI, June 18, 2008 11:48:55

Presently, all the local universities are mere extensions of BIRO TATA NEGARA, but with a more heavily disguised curriculum that cloaks it in academia while actually still pounding in BTN's/ Barisan Najis' ideologies into the young minds.

As long as the Govt. is not REFORMED, EDUCATION, whether primary, secondary or tertiary, will not improve no matter what is done.

As long as political patronage still exists with academic leaders busy pandering to their political masters in order to enrich themselves, the education system is bound to disintegrate !!

REFORM EDUCATION, REFORM THE GOVERNMENT FIRST !!

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written by xKazman, June 18, 2008 11:53:44
Dear Dr. Azly,

First and foremost, i am sorry to say this, but I have to tell it, I think we should first teach proper English in all the local universities in Malaysia, start them back from ABCD, and promote usage of English language in the local universities in proper manner.

I've been seeing lately many local graduates working as petrol pump attendants, 7'11 store assistants and merchandisers in supermarkets, when you ask them a question in English, the manner they answer very very saddening.

That is the main reason they end up working at places like this, our quality of education is not worth to mention here i guess, thats how bad it is. The mentality of Malaysian student is that they study just for the sake to pass the examination, and not to put it in practice.

That is very very bad as it seems to be.
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written by SocratesI, June 18, 2008 12:09:13

First of all, I would like each of us to watch "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?" on TV. Then, compare the subjects they study in the USA with the subjects we study in Malaysia, and the depth and detail from the range of questions asked.

Personally, I think our syllabus sucks in comparison. If we are serious in producing world-class academics, professionals, executives, administrators, scientists, etc., we have to OVERHAUL not only our EDUCATION SYSTEM, but also the country's LEADERSHIP's MENTALITY and ATTITUDE, or it won't work !!

An effective education system encourages young minds to think, to process, to think through, to inter-relate different disciplines they have studied, to apply their knowledge, not to just regurgitate whatever they remember from their text-books which is what our present system does !!

Exams should be of a higher quality, and should be open book exams where the students can bring in any books and the questions actually makes them think and state their opinions, and conclusions rather than regurgitated "facts" from texts.

Questions like "How did Malaysia achieve its Independence and what were the contributions of the various races towards it" rather than inane questions like "What is the date of our independence ??"

We have a long, and weary road to tread, indeed !!

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written by cwy, June 18, 2008 12:29:22
I this era of modernisation, the kind education practised in Malaysian Public universities is Robotic Education!
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written by expat70, June 18, 2008 12:32:00
Dear Dr. Azly, I totally agree with you all the way. There is a dire and urgent need to revamp the entire Malaysian university education system.

However, the question is how far can our graduates go, with the wrong type people heading Malaysian universities? There is a letter from University Malaya's head of Graduates to all the students (maybe of a certain race only) written by Afandy B Sutrisno Tanjung, Yang Di Tertua, Majlis Perwakilan Mashasiswa, Universiti Malaya, Sesi 07/08. The letter carries the seal of APPROVAL by Hal Ehwal Pelarjar & Alumni of the University Malaya.

Translated directly into English :

“ Therefore, I as the Head of Graduates of the University of Malaya I would like to advice all our fellow graduates of University of Malaya to combine forces and prepare ourselves together with all the necessary knowledge and preparation before we continue our fight in the actual battle field.

This advice implies mainly to our Malay Graduates. We must treasure the sacrifices made by our ancestors which tried so hard to ensure that Tanah Melayu (Malay Land) is free from the intrusion of alien races. We must not fall into the category who forget their roots until they will be taken over by other races.

Graduates must prove themselves that we are capable and the best choice to take over the throne of governing the country in the future. This implies with the theme of MPMUM Progressive, Dynamic, Professional. There is nothing more important that can compared to our always-sensitive and improving Graduates. I also would like to advice all Malay Graduates to prepare ourselves in facing all sorts of unpredicted challenges that may occur in the near future, relating to the rise of our fellow citizens, in particular to the non-Malays race.

Don’t let ourselves slack and allow our “enemies under the blanket to attack us (direct translation from the Malay idiom). Don’t allow our Malaysia to fall into the hands of those who are irrelevant. “

Shocking isn’t it!!!

God save our Malaysia University Education System and our Graduates.



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written by shiokguy, June 18, 2008 12:44:43
Another 30 years to repair

Basically we need at least 20 years or more to repair. starting from: -

1. English as medium of education from Secondary onward
2. Free the UNIVERSITIES and let them compete to get the best brain to teach and research
3. Let UNIVERSITIES be free of politic of the day
4. Allow student in social movement, politic and more
5. Allocate 20% for the poor and 80% to free competition

What say you?

Shiok Guy

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PS: Visit my blog for some Shiok Political, Social and Economic view
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written by shiokguy, June 18, 2008 12:48:28
I am from UM

No I am not really! The day will come when we proud announce to our friend that we are from a local prestigious University..

Now what we heard is "Cannot get Singapore Scholarship and No money to go abroad. No accept UM lor.. what to do?"

Story about my niece in BM >>>http://shiokguy.blogspot.com/2...rship.html

Shiok Guy

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written by weehan, June 18, 2008 13:38:15
When the politicians promote educationist based on racial quota consideration and not merits the standard of education naturally drop.

Replaced meritocracy with quotacracy and you replace qualification with kulitfication.

The teachers and lectures themselves are not qualified, how can expect the student to be any better
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written by aris, June 18, 2008 14:46:48
The best university in Singapore is ranked below 150 while the best Malaysian university is ranked above 1050 (see Webometrics ranking of world universities).Meritocracy is dead. Leaders of public universities are interested in only two things - position and power. It is obvious that our public universities have been compromising on the quality of education for far too long. The compromise on the quality and relevance of education started decades ago and is likely to continue for many more decades to come. Why bother now. Public universities are no longer the preferred universities for high achievers. Private universities with links to well-known universities in UK, Australia, USA and Canada are better alternatives. Unlike public universities private universities are becoming increasingly relevant and competitive. It won't be long before public universities in Malaysia become irrelevant and sent to the graveyard of universities.
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written by aryn, June 18, 2008 15:03:06
Replace the Education Minister with an independent and qualified academician first and a politician second.

For as long as its Umno, the universities and our education system will continue to lag behind because Umno only prioritise 'ketuanan Melayu' to hang on to power and not the overall interest of Malaysians and our future generation.
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written by Sunnysoul5, June 18, 2008 15:19:49
Graduates from the University of Malaya before the 80’s were the survivals of the technical knockout system. Some of the political leaders were knocked out of their first course and then enrolled for another course. Whichever way, the graduates of those times were proud that they were tested on their competency in their academic knowledge and understanding. Those were the days when even getting the British LCE could become a police inspector, and having the MCE was good enough for many jobs of the day.

Today, there have been dramatic changes in the pre-university education, and one can enter university after SPM for the pre-U foundation or matriculation course, go to colleges from matriculation programmes or by attending the much tougher STPM. If these three standards are not being standardized, then the university becomes the place to ensure the three possible groups are subject to a standard that is probably lowest to suit certain group. This lowering of the standard may be the root cause of the deteriorating standard of the graduates.

If you are fortunate to be able to communicate with the professors of some of the local universities, and you may be amazed why their own children are not able to converse well in English. If these professors are supposed to be the role model of the education system, then the graduates are likely to be doomed.

This probably explains why the children of the political leaders are sent to international schools, colleges and graduate in overseas universities. Why are these political leaders not trusting their own education system is an irony. The million dollar question is whether they have the political will to revert to the good old “knock-out” system of the then University of Malaya, and they let almost everybody graduate without ensuring these people really learn something at the local universities and colleges.

There must be a University that is willing to be different and willing to practice meritocracy, and produce graduates of world class standard so that other universities will want to emulate. This university must be willing to attract good lecturers and professors irrespective of their race, religion and creed.

The million-dollar question is whether the local private universities and university colleges are any different in terms of meritocracy or are under pressure to pass every student in order to grow the business.

It is really a chicken and egg situation. May be the Malaysians will typically ask the passing rate before enrolling for a particular institution of higher learning.

Remember the SPM holder with 17 A’s, and keep failing at the prestigious Oxford University.

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written by Samanyan, June 18, 2008 15:37:14
Universities to the government is a means to "level the playing ground" ala UMNO style. All Bumis through the half-past-six matriculation system and the rest through STPM. The whole world can say that their standards are different. But, "no..no..no.. they are the SAME" says the gomen. Friend before you go philosophising and eulogising about "culture of inability and ability" let me ask you this question. To be able to call a spade a spade and do away with the feelings of 'superiority / inferiority' among different students would you be prepared to advocate ONE EXAMINATION as the mode of university entry in this country, even if it ends up with less than 30% bumi university intake, because such a step would show the hollowness of the existing 'Sandiwara' perpetrated by the UMNO government ?
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written by sararaj, June 18, 2008 17:37:00
in the very words of syd barrett
We don't need no education
We dont need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
All in all it's just another brick in the wall.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall.

we are simply a bunch of kids churned out by the industrial/political landscape that is this country...
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written by mgeo, June 18, 2008 18:07:48
Let a thousand flowers bloom ...
Fat hopes! We have illiterate graduates muttering pidgin English and blinking when faced with any issue outside their coconut shell.

Schools and univerities can only provide the skills to pick up more skills, including vocabulary, knowledge etc. However, there is no hope when our youth are taught to fear and hate critical thought.
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written by SUV, June 18, 2008 21:23:55
How to radicalise our universities
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mmm....how bout sending a delegate to dis placehttp://www.auroville.org/journals&media/avtoday/dec_03/education.htm
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written by SUV, June 18, 2008 21:25:08
http://www.miraura.org/aa/av/av-ed.html
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written by teo siew chin, June 19, 2008 09:05:31
i am not the sharpest pencil in the box but i get the feeling sombody's an Auroviller smilies/grin.gif.
soooo....it's kinda like an Indian Vatican?
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written by SUV, June 19, 2008 12:42:00
i am not the sharpest pencil in the box but i get the feeling sombody's an Auroviller .
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soooo....it's kinda like an Indian Vatican?
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thank d lord dat auroville is not a vatican/osho/cult/sect...auroville is under unesco..its a model city for d world..and it was officially opened in 1968,malaysia answered the mother's call,n send represenatativs to auroville.. smilies/grin.gif
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written by SUV, June 19, 2008 12:46:37
http://www.auroville.org/vision/inauguration.htm
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written by SUV, June 19, 2008 12:50:37
Auroville impresses diplomats

By Deepa H Ramakrishnan



PONDICHERRY NOV. 29. Diplomats of 14 countries converged at Auroville near Pondicherry on Saturday to chalk out plans for association in various activities, including research undertaken by experts and their participation in the international zone of Auroville.

The diplomats representing the USA, the UK, Russia, Singapore, Japan, France, Holland, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Malaysia, Malawi, Mauritius, Serbia and Montenegro spent half a day visiting various places at Auroville and learning about the concept and design of the township.

They visited the Industrial zone, Auroville Centre for Scientific Research and International zone, also the Indian pavilion. They were given an idea of the basis of Auroville's visions, about how the township had been planned and all their activities in various areas.

Speaking to The Hindu, the US Consul-General, Richard D Hayes, said this was his first visit to Auroville and that he was amazed at the place and all its greenery. "The concept seems very much like many communities in the US, which has a long tradition of imaginative communities. India itself has a great tradition of supporting such communities take Tagore's (Shantiniketan) for example and fostering these kinds of experiments".

The Japanese Consul-General, Kikuchi, was impressed about the way the township had been planned "like the universe". "It is a very good idea because this area has no nationality, they are all human beings", he said. Auroville was very much known in Japan and many people wanted to come over here to live.

"Auroville being an area where everyone is free to research on anything that is useful to humanity, we would love to have some kind of cooperation with people from other countries in that area. That is why we have invited all these diplomats to visit Auroville and see for themselves the kind of work that we are doing", says Saurav of Auroville's Future.

"When The Mother inaugurated Auroville on February 28, 1968, it was envisaged as a place that belongs to nobody in particular but one that belongs to humanity as a whole. The international zone, which is meant to bring together countries of the world, has at present the cultural pavilions of India (Bharat Nivas), the Pavilion of Tibet and work has started on the American Pavilion. The Foundation stones of French, Italian, Russian and German have already been laid here and we expect more nations to follow", says Tapas Bhat, one of the first Aurovilians.





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http://www.auroville.org/
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http://www.auroville.org/gallery/index.htm
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written by SUV, June 19, 2008 13:11:23
http://portal.unesco.org/fr/ev...N=201.html
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written by teo siew chin, June 19, 2008 14:05:52
hmmmmmmm wats de percentage chance SUV-san was one of those diplomats smilies/wink.gif

opened about 20 years ago! so, Auroville has been evolving progressing blooming for the past 20 years whereas msia has been and is still......
gotta have a word with our diplomats who attended the opening - apa dah jadi?
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written by SUV, June 19, 2008 22:34:46
hmmmmmmm wats de percentage chance SUV-san was one of those diplomats smilies/wink.gif
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------sifar smilies/cry.gif...me is no diplomat..just a bloke who like 2 blah blah @ mt..n sometimes bikin kacau here n there..
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written by SUV, June 19, 2008 22:36:19
but i did go 2 SABDA(Sri Aurobindo Ahsram..Auroville is 3 km's away frm SABDA)...anybody can go 2 Auroville..no prob...
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written by SUV, June 19, 2008 23:30:08
yes,i 2 wanna the identity of the diplomats..anwar was(and perhaps still is) connected with unesco..mmmm
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written by teo siew chin, June 20, 2008 09:00:51
SUV-san ah, dont we ALL like to blah blah @MT smilies/grin.gif
but you always come up with amazing links! smilies/cool.gif

"..anwar was(and perhaps still is) connected with unesco..mmmm "

hmmmmmmm indeed!!!
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written by Neil, June 20, 2008 11:10:57
1. The pass mark for one paper at UM was 7. Yes, seven marks.

2. The admissions criteria is suspect. How does one really assign credible rankings to cocurricular against academic performances as the main criteria for admission to the first course selected?

3. Look at the composition of UM's faculty of engineering here:

http://www.um.edu.my/um_life/academics/faculties/fac_of_engineering.php

Is something fishy or not?
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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 12:25:06
teo san,
u know aah..pas,pkr,reformists tau dsai kadang kadang suka ciakap pasai kawan karib jfk yae2 john kenneth galbraith yg jadi ambasador ke india masa zaman camelot..hehe..dengar kabor dsai pernah lecture ananda krisnin punya anak yg sudah jadi bikku buddha pasai galbraith..galbraith pulak *cough cough* pigi jumpa IBU smilies/grin.gif
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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 12:29:52
John Kenneth Galbraith Quotations

“All of the great leaders have had one characteristic in common: it was the willingness to confront unequivocally the major anxiety of their people in their time. This, and not much else, is the essence of leadership.”

“All successful revolutions are the kicking in of a rotten door. The violence of revolutions is the violence of men who charge into a vacuum.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kenneth_Galbraith





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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 12:35:33
http://www.detikdaily.net/v4/m...nt&sid=600
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written by teo siew chin, June 20, 2008 12:48:16
hehehe - "some quotes have been falsely attributed to Galbraith in Internet signature files, and have thus become widespread, including:
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communisim, it's just the opposite."
"Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups."

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have a good weekend Suv-san and keep the links coming smilies/cool.gif
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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 14:56:42
ooo..i see..ummm.. smilies/grin.gif..here is one interesting link n oh http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weda

weekend sudah sampai aah?..aiyoh,i thot 2day hari khamis..teo san,enjoy ur weekend ya... smilies/smiley.gif smilies/cool.gif
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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 15:02:48
UNITY OF LORD IN VEDA AND QURAN

http://www.indiagrid.com/cgi-bin/viewarticle.cgi?dmmy=ok&postid=81&stq=60&cat=art
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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 15:06:46
Islam has Indian origin: Scholar (mmmmmmmmm... smilies/grin.gif )

NOTED SCHOLAR and Sarva Dharma Ekta Manch secretary Abdullah Tariq claimed here on Sunday that Islam was a religion with an Indian origin.

He said, “The first Prophet Hazrat Adam was born in India, according to belief, and the last Prophet Hazrat Mohammad was born in Mecca.” He also said the study of the Vedas was the need of the hour.

Tariq was expressing his views in a symposium organised by the UP Rabta Committee at Islamia College of Commerce entitled ‘Ved and Quran: How Near How Far’.

He denied the charge that any particular community was responsible for the division of India. He said Partition of Greater India was not a new thing. There was a time when Cambodia, Burma and Afghanistan were part of India. He raised the question: “Who will you blame for separation of these parts?”

Tariq highlighted various points to elaborate the close relation between the Vedas and the Quran. He said various means of worship of God had similarities.

hastang was closely associated with namaz in which eight parts of the body touched the ground. Abdullah said namaz was a Sanskrit word, while the Arabic term was salwaat. Abdullah called upon people to study the text of the Quran and the Vedas instead of blindly believing and heedlessly following the explanations and discussions of pandits and the ulema.

Expressing his anguish, he said God was one, but people had sought to divide Him for their vested interests.

Expressing his views on the occasion, noted cardiologist Dr Jamil Ahmad shed light on the philosophy of the soul and the body. He said it was the nature of a human being to worship the Almighty and the Quran encouraged it.

He said misconceptions regarding the Quran and the Vedas should be removed to sideline the forces spreading hatred among people.

Presiding over the symposium, scientist Prof Maheshwar Mishra highlighted the crisis of belief, which he said was the main problem before society.

He said, “We do not have firm belief in God. This is the root cause of our various problems.” Dr M Gyasuddin and Manuwar Husain also expressed their views. Shahbuddin coordinated the programme.



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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 16:29:26
The Eternality of the Vedas and the Our'ān: A Comparative Study
Arvind Sharma
Philosophy East and West, Vol. 26, No. 3 (Jul., 1976), pp. 269-279 (article consists of 11 pages)
Published by: University of Hawai'i Press


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Question and Answer Details


Name of Questioner
Harsha - India

Title
The Qur'an and the Vedas

Date
17/Sep/2006

Question
I am a Vedic Sanatana Dharmi. I have full faith in the Islamic concept of Paramatma (the Supreme Spirit). I need you to guide me with a good and correct interpretation of the Qur'an. May Paramatma Allah bless all in a Satyanarayan way!




Topic
Islamic Creed

Name of Counselor
Shahul Hameed



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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 16:37:00
Salam, Harsha.

Thank you very much for your question.

It is very heartening to welcome a Vedic Sanatana Dharmi like you, who would identify the Hindu concept of Paramatma with the Islamic concept of Allah.

Indeed the Vedas (the four sacred books that form the foundational religious texts of the Hindus) provide a great deal of insight into the Sanatana Dharma (Eternal Law) of Brahman — the Sanskrit word for God as the Ultimate Reality — Who is considered by Hindus the Source of all existence.

The Hindu belief about the Vedas as the sruti (what was heard) bears a close resemblance to the Muslim idea of wahy (divine revelation). You know that the sruti, according to interpreters, were "heard" by the sages of later generations from their predecessors.

It is also noteworthy that they are considered nitya (eternal, i.e, without beginning or end) and apauruseya sabda (revealed knowledge from a superhuman source)(Srila Jiva Gosvami); and this means that they originated from God. That is to say, the first sages who taught the Vedas may have been prophets to whom God had revealed them originally.
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Name of Questioner
Harsha - India

Title
The Qur'an and the Vedas

Date
17/Sep/2006

Question
I am a Vedic Sanatana Dharmi. I have full faith in the Islamic concept of Paramatma (the Supreme Spirit). I need you to guide me with a good and correct interpretation of the Qur'an. May Paramatma Allah bless all in a Satyanarayan way!




Topic
Islamic Creed

Name of Counselor
Shahul Hameed



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Salam, Harsha.

Thank you very much for your question.

It is very heartening to welcome a Vedic Sanatana Dharmi like you, who would identify the Hindu concept of Paramatma with the Islamic concept of Allah.

Indeed the Vedas (the four sacred books that form the foundational religious texts of the Hindus) provide a great deal of insight into the Sanatana Dharma (Eternal Law) of Brahman — the Sanskrit word for God as the Ultimate Reality — Who is considered by Hindus the Source of all existence.

The Hindu belief about the Vedas as the sruti (what was heard) bears a close resemblance to the Muslim idea of wahy (divine revelation). You know that the sruti, according to interpreters, were "heard" by the sages of later generations from their predecessors.

It is also noteworthy that they are considered nitya (eternal, i.e, without beginning or end) and apauruseya sabda (revealed knowledge from a superhuman source)(Srila Jiva Gosvami); and this means that they originated from God. That is to say, the first sages who taught the Vedas may have been prophets to whom God had revealed them originally.

The Qur'anic verses are sruti in the sense of revealed scripture, but with the additional significance that they were written down and preserved intact so that Muslims have been reading them and learning them by heart from the very beginning.

The Qur'an was revealed to the Final of the Prophets, Muhammad (peace be upon him), and it came as a confirmation and fulfillment of the earlier scriptures revealed to all the prophets of old. In other words, one function of the Qur'an is to confirm the truths in the earlier scriptures and to correct any errors that might have crept into them during their transmission from generation to generation.

There are clues in the Vedas, as well as in Hindu religious history, that point to the possibility that the Vedas were corrupted versions of earlier revealed texts, such as the scriptures sent to the Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim). The Oneness of God underscored in the Vedas, as against the common beliefs of the Hindus, is a very important factor, for instance.

There is the verse in the first of the Vedas called the Rig Veda: Ekam sat viprah bahudha vadanti (Rig Veda:1.164.46) "Truth is One; but the sages call Him by many names." Indeed this verse is comparable to the following Qur'anic verses:

*{Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute}* (Al-Ikhlas 112:1-2)


*{Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.}* (Al-Israa' 17:110)

It is to the credit of the religion of Islam (which means submission to God) that it does not limit itself to any particular prophet or to any particular age. Muhammad (peace be on him) was only the final prophet of Islam, and so he never claimed that his religion was a new one, nor do Muslims consider him the founder of Islam.






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written by SUV, June 20, 2008 16:38:20
Hopefully, a close and insightful study of the Qur'an can lead us to a clear understanding of how we can lead a virtuous life in obedience to the One True God.

May He guide us to His Truth!

I hope this answer helps you. Please keep in touch.

Source:

Srila Jiva Gosvami: http://www.kkswami.com/faith/A...darbha.php

Useful Links:



The Qur'an's Appeal to Rationality

Was Guru Nanak a Prophet of God?

Are Muslims From Hindu Origin?

Credibility of the Revelation

Are Religions the Same?

Is Islam a Religion for Arabs Only?

What Is Islam?

Man... Vision and Mission





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written by prof, June 20, 2008 21:46:27
Malaysian universities can never be at the top. To begin with every time they choose an education minister they choose one who cannot read, write and speak very well. The previous Higher Education Minister was said to be real good in maths. What does being real good in maths mean when the Minister couldn't even answer questions relating to the ethnic relations syllabus produced by a committee of high level experts, comprising one or two Malaysian so-called senior professors? Similarly when the education minister chooses the VCs he never bothers to ask or take the trouble to find out whether the ones he appoints have PhDs or not. One or two may not need PhDs at all simply because they belong to the opposite sex and this time the Education Minister wants to give chance to the ladies to run and destroy the campuses because some women academics claimed under women VCs sexually harrassment in the academe could be reduced.
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written by densemy, June 21, 2008 14:31:26
... and then fill the universities with the mindless zombies which are the end product of the Malaysian system of religious indoctrination, filial suppression and a primary and secondary education system which is repressive, non creative and stultifying

It appears that the main aim of anyone to do with Malaysian youth is to turn them into mindless little robots who will do just what their masters tell them

Curiosity and inquisitiveness are suppressed, so there goes a child's ability to be creative and to think for themselves. Control and discipline are the prime targets so there goes the child's ability to self discipline and organise his/her time.

Children are filled with a fear of everything around them so evenually they end up doing nothing apart from being the dildoes of a consumer society

By the time they reach university its too late to teach young people how to think for themselves
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written by Tom n Jerry, June 22, 2008 21:43:39
How we can really overcome this pitiful situation in malaysian schools?I am of the opinion formal education in schools be made optionalHomeschooling as viable alternative.Only in this way can the super achievers(Star children & indigo Children)highlight their true potential!Children today are completely different from those of 50 years ago!They may still have the same physiology but completely different mentality!Some kids as young as 10 are already planning to go to the moon.mars,the stars!In school they ares till learning 1 1=2,1X1=1!Way behind their mental functioning!For some of them the world is at their finger -tips!Everything they want can be found on-line!Perhaps some of them are more knowledgeable than their teachers! smilies/smiley.gif
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 12:02:45
smilies/smiley.gif @ tom n Jerry..very interesting dat u mention indigo children...me thinks they r psychic children.. smilies/smiley.gif...very true dat lots terrestial changes have taken place,and as a result there will b children of tomorrow who will be more spirtual.,more loving..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMhdm6EpLZ4

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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 14:45:43
http://www.halexandria.org/dward035.htm
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 14:52:18
http://www.innerself.com/Paren...ildren.htm
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written by teo siew chin, June 23, 2008 15:09:48
wahhhh i tak pernah dengar indigo children... genetic code dari parents = parents were indigo too?
Suv-san ah, were you a 'difficult' child? smilies/grin.gif

should harness the energy of these unique children - SAVE THE WORLD !
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 15:10:27
http://www.kheper.net/topics/A..._Being.htm
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:16:58
teo san ah,i am forever difficult fella oh.. smilies/cheesy.gif

naah...indigo children probably have fully developed psychic personality(we all got lah,but d being is far far far behind,okeh)..man,its d pyschic being that keeps us alive lah sar...it's the hidden master,our true selflah..
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:18:58
ada dengar tak thurston moore's debut album,psychic hearts?baguih o..ada satu trek..hehe.."whip it whip it good" smilies/shocked.gif smilies/grin.gif smilies/cool.gif
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:27:19
The psychic is the first of two transformations necessary – if you have the psychic transformation it facilitates immensely the other, i.e., the transformation of the ordinary human into the higher spiritual consciousness – otherwise one is likely to have either a slow and dull or exciting but perilous journey....

I have never said anything about a "transformation of the psychic"; I have always written about a "psychic transformation" of the nature, which is a very different matter. I have sometimes written of it as a psychicisation of the nature. The psychic is in the evolution, part of the human being, its divine part – so a psychicisation will not carry one beyond the present evolution but will make the being ready to respond to all that comes from the Divine or Higher Nature and unwilling to respond to the Asura, Rakshasa, Pishacha or Animal in the being or to any resistance of the lower nature which stands in the way of the divine change.
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nota kaki:asura,rakshasa,pishacha..ini semua nama nma setan le... and psychic being only listen to the divine and nothing else
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:29:29
The soul, the psychic being is in direct touch with the divine Truth, but it is hidden in man by the mind, the vital being and the physical nature. One may practise yoga and get illuminations in the mind and the reason; one may conquer power and luxuriate in all kinds of experiences in the vital; one may establish even surprising physical Siddhis; but if the true soul-power behind does not manifest, if the psychic nature does not come into the front, nothing genuine has been done. In this yoga the psychic being is that which opens the rest of the nature to the true supramental light and finally to the supreme Ananda. Mind can open by itself to its own higher reaches; it can still itself and widen into the Impersonal; it may too spiritualise itself in some kind of static liberation or Nirvana; but the supramental cannot find a sufficient base in a spiritualised mind alone. If the inmost soul is awakened, if there is a new birth out of the mere mental, vital and physical into the psychic consciousness, then this yoga can be done; otherwise (by the sole power of the mind or any other part) it is impossible.... If there is a refusal of the psychic new birth, a refusal to become the child new born from the Mother, owing to attachment to intellectual knowledge or mental ideas or to some vital desire, then there will be a failure in the sadhana.

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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:32:48
The direct opening of the psychic centre is easy only when the ego-centricity is greatly diminished and also if there is a strong bhakti for the Mother. A spiritual humility and sense of submission and dependence is necessary

nota kaki:bhakti means devotion,aspiration...
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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:34:06
What is meant by [the psychic's] coming to the front is simply this. The psychic ordinarily is deep within. Very few people are aware of their souls – when they speak of their soul, they usually mean the vital mental being or else the (false) soul of desire. The psychic remains behind and acts only through the mind, vital and physical wherever it can. For this reason the psychic being except where it is very much developed has only a small and partial, concealed and mixed or diluted influence on the life of most men. By coming forward is meant that it comes from behind the veil, its presence is felt already in the waking daily consciousness, its influence fills, dominates, transforms the mind and vital and their movements, even the physical. One is aware of one's soul, feels the psychic to be one's true being, the mind and the rest begin to be only instruments of the inmost within us.

The inner mental, vital, physical are also veiled, but much nearer to the surface and much of their movements or inspirations get through the veil (but not in any fullness or purity) in the lives of developed human beings, something even in the lives of ordinary people. But these too in yoga throw down the veil after a time and come in front and their action predominates in the consciousness while the external is no longer felt as one's own self but only as a front or even a fringe of the being.

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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:42:11


When the psychic being awakens, you grow conscious of your own soul; you know your self. And you no longer commit the mistake of identifying yourself with the mental or with the vital being. You do not mistake them for the soul.

Secondly, when awakened, the psychic being gives true bhakti for God or for the Guru. That bhakti is quite different from mental or vital bhakti.

In the mind one may have admiration or appreciation for the intellectual greatness of the man – or Guru, but it is merely mental; it does not carry the matter very far. Of course there is no harm in having that also. But by itself it does not open the whole of the inner being; it only establishes a mental contact.

The vital bhakti demands and demands. It imposes its own conditions. It surrenders itself to God, but conditionally. It says to God, "You are so great, I worship you, and now satisfy my this desire or that ambition, make me great, make me a great sadhak, a great yogin, etc."

The unillumined mind also surrenders to the Truth, but makes its own conditions. It says to the Truth, "Satisfy my judgment and my opinion"; it demands the Truth to cast itself in the mind's own forms.

The vital being also insists on the Truth to throw itself into its own movement of force. The vital being pulls at the Higher Power and pulls and pulls at the vital being of the Guru.

Both of them (the mental and the vital) have got an arrière pensée (mental reservation) in their surrender.

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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:42:49
But the psychic being and its bhakti are not like that. Because it is in direct communication with the Divinity behind, it is capable of true bhakti. Psychic bhakti does not make any demand, makes no reservation. It is satisfied with its own existence. The psychic being knows how to obey the Truth in the right way. It gives itself up truly to God or to Guru, and because it can give itself up truly, therefore it can also receive truly.

Thirdly, when the psychic being comes to the surface, it feels sad when the mental or the vital being is making a fool of itself. That sadness is purity offended.

When the mind is playing its own game or when the vital being is carried away by its own impulses, it is the psychic being which says, "I don't want these things; what am I here for after all? I am here for the Truth, I am not here for these things."

Psychic sadness is again different from mental dissatisfaction or vital sadness or physical depression.

If the psychic being is strong, it makes itself felt on the mental or the vital being, and forces them – compels them – to change. But if it is weak, the other parts take advantage of it and use the psychic sadness to their own advantage.

In some cases the psychic being comes up to the surface and upsets the mental or the vital being and throws everything into disorder. But if the mind or the vital being is stronger than the psychic, then it casts only an occasional influence and gradually retires behind. All its cry is in the wilderness; and the mental or the vital being goes on in its own round.

Lastly, the psychic being refuses to be deceived by appearances. It is not carried away by falsehood. It refuses to be depressed by falsehood – nor does it exaggerate the truth. For example, even if everything around says, "There is no God", the psychic being refuses to believe in it. It says, "I know, and I know because I feel."

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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 22:43:30
And because it knows the thing behind, it is not deceived by appearances. It immediately feels the Force.

Also, when the psychic being is awakened, it throws out all the dross from the emotional being and makes it free from sentimentalism or the lower play of emotionalism.

But it does not carry in it the dryness of the mind or the exaggeration of the vital feelings. It gives the just touch to each emotion.

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written by SUV, June 23, 2008 23:14:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWBUroMXyXk
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simply wonderfull smilies/smiley.gif..regarding food, dis lil indy says people should eat fruits n veggies..umm..she trully knows d needs of tomorrowsmilies/smiley.gif..d interviewer talks about free will..hehe..not free will lah sar..ultimately its d divine's will

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written by george3, June 24, 2008 09:05:00
I m a graduate in local university.

University is a place of academic excellent and place of human development ie nurturing and bring up the talent in leadership.

But with the selection of student based on quota and not academic excellent, how are we going to excel in academic?

The second issue about human development and nurturing talent in leadership. With our spoon-feed education and university act which will hinder and suppress the leadership talent, how are we going to produce a quality candidate in term of good leadership?

With current university system, i do not see we can produce a graduate both or either academically good or with leadership and innnovative

UNLESS we change the system and chancellor and vice chancellor of the university.

But the appointment of c or vc is subject to politically influence...

So the MAIN ISSUE now is ultimately change the government will change the quality of graduate from Malaysia.

I m confident that without any change to the university system, Malaysia only got hope...otherwise dont ever think of at least in rank 200 of the university ranking!





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written by SUV, June 24, 2008 12:47:24
but but..do we need to have uni education 2 b excellent aah?.come onlah..stop being a racist zombie!!!
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written by renoir, June 25, 2008 01:50:25
SUV, universities exist because there's a need for them, and this need includes the transmission of knowledge and societal values. The goal, at least in our modern age, is to educate and train sufficient personnel for the betterment of society. This sounds a lot like the instrumentalism that many of us abhor, not least because it presupposes someone or some group deciding the values and knowledge society needs, including the definition of what's good or bad. Unfortunately, that's the way it was and still is, since mankind became "civilized." Now if we, for the time being, put aside the contentious issue of what's good and bad, and agree that it's good to "educate and train sufficient personnel for the betterment of society," then surely tertiary education is an efficient means towards that end. We don't need university education to achieve excellence, but excellence is very difficult to attain without it. There are certainly great scientists, artists, administrators, philosophers, etc., who don't need a university education, but the vast majority of us do. And it's a mark of the modern nation to have as many such people as possible. I believe that's why Dr. Azly says that "universities ought to make people come out smarter and able to solve problems in as many ways as they possibly can."

The task before us, therefore, is not to reject the university, but to re-question and thus help to define for ourselves what constitutes good and relevant societal goals. We - you and I and indeed every citizen irrespective of his or her socio-economic status - have a stake in this, as it affects the way we and our children would live now and in the future. No group or groups of people, including those who immodestly call themselves the "elite" (who in many cases serve as compradors of the major capitalist states), have the right to dictate the country's future without the rakyat's input.

I suspect a lot of our questions will challenge what Galbraith called "conventional wisdom." We might start by asking what really constitutes "development" and what, along the same strand of thought, constitutes "growth." Does development always have to involve the destruction of the environment just to create concrete jungles? What kinds of jobs are being created - do they involve mere assembling of foreign-made parts for products that are themselves part of the foreign merchantilistic capitalists' planned obsolescence? Is the Proton a victim of such "development," the evolution of an acceptably drivable car when such cars are, either through worldwide surplus or the existence of competitively better cars, no longer needed or wanted by the world? There's an agricultural parallel to the Proton - countries that were told by affluent states to plant coffee or cocoa and become rich suddenly woke up to find themselves bankrupt when the crops were no longer needed or became so abundant that they were worth a fraction of what was promised.

Most Third World nations continued to be poor because they were not economically, socially, and politically independent. Hence their various so-called "stages of development" were dictated largely by external factors, and followed a pattern established by external powers, with the result that their very survival were dependent on those same powers. What then happened was, as the immortal title of an essay by Andre Gunder Frank states, "the development of underdevelopment."
In the same way, much of our own "development" in Malaysia was designed to fail and WOULD fail unless we re-question carefully its meaning and peripheral role in relationship to the center - the metropolises of the West.

LChuah
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written by SUV, June 25, 2008 15:43:06
what i meant is,knowledge can be obtained even without uni education..of courselah uni edu is important..but,uni must b a place where freedom to explore,to find out,to know,to experiment dll allowed...correcto?
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written by purpleshoppe, June 25, 2008 16:49:58
Malaysian higher institution of learning is run by quoto, not by merit.

It fails to create an effective pool of talent because they simply lack merit.

A chinese needs straight As to get a place in UM Accouncy, a malay only needs 5 principals. There is a pass rate, fail rate which is worked based on a skew. If the talent pool is simply not there, how can there be any chance of improvement?

Are you kidding?

I bet the ministry of educaiton will proposed some ways, which includes heavy spending trying wastefully-painful ways to improve.

Change the system first!
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written by renoir, June 25, 2008 20:11:17
>,uni must b a place where freedom to explore,to find out,to know,to experiment dll allowed...correcto?]]

Correcto, SUV. smilies/wink.gif
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written by Experienced, July 04, 2008 23:56:23
smilies/smiley.gif Mahathir's degree of shamelessness. He removed the Sikander from his name and left it at Mohamed. He taught the Malays to be shameless and get everything that way. Never mind the short cuts. He made victims of the others. Not only by exploitation but also by favouritism. It led to arrogance but not productivity. The poor productive Malays continue to be productive and stand on their own feet with global dignity. The others groomed by him continue to bully. What an achievement. smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif smilies/angry.gif
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written by Tom n Jerry, July 05, 2008 00:29:41
I doubt if our education minister knows what the word education means!Perhaps he thinks only *A* scorers are having right education!I am not trying to say its no good scoring *A*s because I was an *A*scorer myself but the basic meaning of education is much more than the number of *A*s.It is cultural,philosophical,moral& biological;needless to say almost always political in Malaysia! smilies/cry.gif
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written by Bluechip, July 25, 2008 22:14:20
To radicalise universities in Malaysia just wasting time. All efforts will be dash because the education minister and his policy makers are not came from educational background. They yet schooling but what are they now about "education" ? Are they have experience of teaching like Royal Professor Ungku Abdul Aziz?

Malaysia education system are anchronism or lagging far behind. Malaysia adopt British educational style but not adopt to the student how to think like educated British person.

Malaysia especially education minister and the policy maker must change the education entire system by hire "education background person" to handle education matters and policy...think of Prof Emeritus Datuk Dr. Khoo Kay Kim

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